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 John Philpott - Coastguard in Donegal c 1870
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| heatherdoc01 |
Posted on 25/09/2013 17:08
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Hi, could anyone give me some assistance in trying to find records on coastguards in Donegal circa 1870, below is the records of my family (John Philpott was my great great great grandfather). I would love to locate the lighthouse that my grandfather would have worked out of and details of his career as a coastguard but really don't know where to start. I have found the family records on the irish census records. John Philpott and Margaret Trimble Household Philpott John Head C. of Ireland R & W 60 M Coastguard Married Donegal Philpott Margaret Wife Philpott Lizzie Notes: John Philpott (Richard) Inniscoo married Margaret Nelson (dau of James Trimble), widow, Roshin Lodge, on May 21 1868 in St.Crone’s, Dungloe Elizabeth b Dec 12 1878, George b Dec 13 1880, Fanny b May 05 1870, Richard Apr 06 1877, Maryanne Jul 07 1873, Mary Oct 28 1875 Mary m Coulter was living in Belfast, Charles Street, South in 1911 with her 3 children and brothers Richard and George Many thanks for any help Heather |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 25/09/2013 23:51
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Welcome to the Forum Heather. I'm not convinced that John was entirely honest on the 1901 Irish Census. Having looked at the Coastguard Records for Donegal (Limerick District) in the 1860's, I can only find one John Philpott, and he was born 24 December 1839, Weymouth, Dorset. In 1868 he was stationed at Rutland Coastguard Station, so perhaps you need to do a little investigation around this area. If I am right, then there are two service records on the National Archives website, one in the name of Philpot (ADM 139) the other in Philpott (ADM 188), both born 24 December, but one is shown as 1839 the other 1829, however I suspect this might be a transcription error. Hope this helps. Martin |
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| heatherdoc01 |
Posted on 26/09/2013 18:49
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Thanks Martin for this information. Would you be able to advise me where Rutland Coastguard Station is located. I am informed that John Philptt lived in a town called Burton Port, the house was called Roshin Lodge, my great grandfather lived as a small child with his grand parents in donegal. I have found records for a John Philpot being born in Weymouth 1839, his morther was Frances Irish, it may be coincidental but my great great great grandfather John Philpott also named one of his daughters Fanny Irish. If I have got the right family link his father also was a coastguard - Richard Philpott. Would the records you have advised me off provide any more information. Heather |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 26/09/2013 19:15
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Heather Unfortunately the service records provide no family information. However, they can give details of postings that would enable you to concentrate your search for other family members in the correct area. The use of family names always helps in my mind to link the generations, particularly when the name is unusual such as 'Irish'. If you do decide to purchase the service records I would be interested to know if John served on HMS Ajax around 1854-55. I ask because there is a John Phillpot, Boy, on the Baltic Medal roll, which may or may not be your John. Re Richard, I'll see what I can find-out about him. Martin I've now researched Richard and have found the following: Nominated to the CG Service from the Revenue Cruiser Victoria on 9 January 1839, with a first posting to Preston, Weymouth, which ties in nicely with John's place of birth (ADM 175/6 pdf 382). On 21 October 1840 he was promoted to Commissioned Boatman, remaining at the same station, then on 26 September 1851 he was transferred to Osmington Mills (ADM 175/7 pdf 376), from where he was superannuated on 31 August 1866. While at Osmington he was issued with a Merchant Seamen's Ticket on which his date of birth is given as 11 March 1809, Bognor, Sussex. It also contains the following physical description: 5' 7 3/4'' tall, brown hair, dark complexion, brown eyes, scar at corner of right eye; first went to sea as a boy in 1823 and had previously served 3 years 2 months in the Royal Navy. Finally he was one of those Coastguards who re-entered the navy during the Crimean War, serving on HMS Edinburgh being awarded the Baltic Medal. Edited by crimea1854 on 26/09/2013 20:02 |
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| heatherdoc01 |
Posted on 26/09/2013 19:27
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Martin, just purchased the records for ADM 139 and yes he did serve on AJAX and ended up in Rutland. Thank you very much for your help I must now search to find out the location of Rutland (hopefully Donegal). Heather |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 26/09/2013 19:50
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Heather Rutland is in Donegal. Please note updated post above. Martin |
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| heatherdoc01 |
Posted on 26/09/2013 19:58
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Thanks Martin for all your help. I also purchased the second set of records and both relate to the same John Philpott. I think a trip to Rutland is now in order! And I greatly appreciate the information on Richard Philpott. Heather Merged on 28/09/2013 19:25:50: Martin, I have had a chance to review the transcripts and John Philpot(t) was stationed at Rutland until Nov 1885 followed by Knockallow from where he is recorded as "Shore Pensioned" from Nov 1888. His service history records serving onboard: Victory Ajax Pylades Amphitritic Euryalus Bulldog Sulty Victory Trafalguar (Rutland) Valiant (Rutland/Sheephaven) Hootepur Shannon (Rutland/Sheephave) I am unsure of what these records indicate but could you provide any more information in relation to his medal onbaord Ajax? Would you know if there was a lighthouse at either Rutland or Knockallow and would they still be there today? Many thanks Heather Edited by heatherdoc01 on 28/09/2013 19:25 |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 28/09/2013 22:29
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Heather The Baltic Medal roll showed a John Phillpot, Boy, and given your John's age in 1854/55 I thought it just feasible that this could be your ancestor, which is confirmed by the service record, and the fact that his medal was sent to HMS Ampritite on 30 March 1857. Given what we now know, there cannot have been many fathers and sons serving in the Navy during the Crimean War! I'm afraid that Lighthouses were/are the responsibility of Trinity House, not the Coastguard Service. The CG were primarily responsible for suppressing smuggling, it was only much later that they took on a formal life-saving roll. Martin |
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