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241. Renvyle, Galway
ceeKayL
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Posted on 29/08/2011 19:05
I have found out today, that a relative, who was a coastguard, was born at 241. Renvyle, Galway.
According to Google, this used to be a coastguard cottage, ( it now is a holiday cottage ), can
anyone tell me if the person living there, in 1869, would have been working at a coastguard
station in the area, it is believed the gentleman whose birth is given as there,that his father was also
a coastguard, but I've not been able to trace his records, would there be a record somewhere of
the coastguards that lived at this address.
Appreciate any help
Many thanks
ceeKayL
 
bpa
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Posted on 30/08/2011 01:50
The 241 number is renting agency number not a standard reference.

The station had a number of cottages. The coastguard records do not details who was living in which cottage. The list of men stationed at Tully in 1868-1869 is given in ADM 175/61 Page 20 (pdf page 36). It is free to download. Surnames include Hunt, Wills, Howell, Mahony, Finch, Escoth, Connolly, SImpson and Harris

It might be useful if you gave a name. If you have a record then the civil birth record gives the occupation of father.
 
ceeKayL
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Posted on 30/08/2011 09:41
Thank you very much bpa, I have found the gentleman, he is mentioned on page 65, no.14
his name is Lydon, I believe his forename was Michael, I assume under his name, is written, his
place, and date of birth, and what looks like ' 3 badges ', and the date in another column is 25 Oct.
69, but I'm finding the rest impossible to make any sense of, so any help deciphering the other info
would be very welcome, any previous searches re. this man in his Coastguard life have proved
fruitless, his son, Joseph, who was born in 1869, did become a coastguard and I have his 'history', so now finding a little about Michael Lydon is brilliant.
Again, many thanks
ceeKayL
 
bpa
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Posted on 30/08/2011 09:50
If William Lydon b 8 May 1822 Clifden is your man then you can buy his records from here

http://www.nation...ultcount=1
 
ceeKayL
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Posted on 30/08/2011 10:10
If the initial is W not M, then it might not be the man I was looking for, as on the marriage cert.
for Joseph Lydon his Father's name is given as Michael, so it's back to the drawing board.

Many thanks
ceeKayL
 
crimea1854
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Posted on 31/08/2011 16:53
Hi

I can't help thinking that perhaps you are looking in the wrong place.

Having revisited your previous posts I checked the Service Records available on the National Archives website, and there is a Joseph Lyden (ON 128207 - the same as Joseph Lydon) who has given his place of birth as Ballinakill, Galway, 1869. Looking at the map this is a long way from the coast, so is it possible that Joseph's mother returned to the family home to give birth, and that his father, if a Coastguard, was working in a completely different part of the country?

Martin
 
ceeKayL
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Posted on 31/08/2011 19:07
Hi Martin,

Doing a bit of research, I find a Ballinakill Harbour, on the Renvyle Peninsula, so I can see
how the two given birth places are both right,all the area comes under Clifden, Galway.
As you can see, I am no nearer finding any record of Joseph's fathers' coastguard history, I have
been informed today where I can get a copy of Josephs birth cert. that should give his fathers
occupation, maybe he wasn't a coastguard after all.
Thank you for your help, it is appreciated.
remann.
 
bpa
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Posted on 31/08/2011 19:31
You need to be careful that you have the right Joseph Lydon with the GRO record - there were at least 4 born in Galway between 1859 and 1874. The birth on records can often be wrong and transcription errors occur.

Trying to corrorborate his birth year -I couldn't find Joseph Lydon on the Irish 1901/1911 census or on Ancestry's UK census records.
 
crimea1854
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Posted on 01/09/2011 07:02
bpa

According to Joseph Lydon/Lyden's record card, he was stationed in Harwich from 1909 -1912. I don't have access to the English 1911 census (Ancestry only has the details for 1901), so am unable to check to see what info he gave then.

Martin
 
bpa
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Posted on 01/09/2011 08:57
For 1911 UK census I don't have a subcription but I use the free search on www.1911census.co.uk to provide enough info.

Searching for Joseph Lydon b. Galway - shows 2 records one b.1869 living in Tendring, Essex and another b.1880 living in Wiga.

Tendring is the Census district and not far from Harwich - so this is a good match and age is consistent

Again using the advanced search looking for Lydon in Tendring, Essex show up one group which looks like a family.
Joseph b 1868, Ellen b 1873, Mary b 1894, Alexandri Ona b 1897, Ellen b 1899, Norah b 1902, Christina M b 1906, William b 1907, Isabella b 1908, Joseph b 1909

Often the eldest son is named after the paternal grandfather - in this case William. This could be wishful thinking.
 
ceeKayL
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Posted on 01/09/2011 12:09
Yes that is his family, bpa, on leaving Harwich he was stationed at Lowestoft till 14/2/1916,
then from 16/2/16 till 10/9/18, he was at (D)?undalk, (sorry not sure, it might be W ) then
from 11/9/18 he was at Holyhead till retirement 31/3/1923.

I do have a copy of his marriage cert. which states his father as 'Michael Lydon, Coast Guard
deceased', which is why I've been pursuing that line, but have had no luck in tracing a Michael
Lydon in the coastguards.

Joseph's father in law was called William so maybe thats why the eldest son was called William.

Thanks again for all suggestions,

remann
 
bpa
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Posted on 01/09/2011 22:23
The coastguard records are pretty good so I'd be surprised if your Lydon coastguard is not recorded. However Wm Lydon still looks like a good possibility so I think you should see if there is any info that you can use to definitively rule him out. To that end it may be worthwhile buying his Kew record and see if you can find anything more about him such as death, record of postings/pension after Joseph's marriage date or whether you can find any children by checking posting against birth/baptism records.

edit:
Looking at Griffiths valuation (basically a survey of tenants) which was done between 1847 and 1864 - in the Ballinakill parish there are many Lydons incl John, Thomas, Michael, William, Patrick, James and Timothy. So the possibility that Joseph was born amongst relatives may not be far fetched.
Edited by bpa on 02/09/2011 17:20
 
Kalilileth
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Posted on 29/10/2013 14:57
If Joseph's father in law was called William, it may be that he was the 2nd son (named for his wife's father) and that there is an earlier birth (and/or possible death) of a son named for Joseph's father. If the naming pattern runs right through the family it would help to confirm this. With children alternately named for father and mothers parents, then siblings.

I was, btw, drawn to your post as the Thomas Connolly posted at Tullymore is one of my own family.
 
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