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 Coastguard retirement age
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| shanew147 |
Posted on 03/06/2009 19:42
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I am currently trying to confirm the timeline for my ggg-grandfather Samuel Hodges who was a Coastguard based on the east coast of Ireland between the 1820s and c1855. from 1857 he is referred to on various documents as Coastguard pensioner - and I was just wondering what age they would have retired at ? thank you, Shane |
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| Tony |
Posted on 03/06/2009 20:02
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Hello, Welcome to the Forum. I have put together a few items concerning age of retirement for Coastguards. There were many reasons for retirement, age, illness or injuries. Hope these items may help you:- Coastguard Pensions. “ In order to get rid of the older R.N. officers a pension scheme was introduced, in 1849, in which any officer applying to retire had to have at least 10 years service, and to be incapacitated by ill-health or age, and to have served in the Coastguard at the end of may 1849. The pensions were £30 per year. The men of the service started their own scheme by paying 6d. per month and this gave widows £25 plus a pound for each child.” Reference ; Shipminder, The Story of Her Majesty’s Coastguard by Bernard Scarlet . p 63. Pub. 1971. “In the following year (1866) another problem in connection with the cruisers had to be tackled. Officers who had entered the service subsequent to the date of its transfer to the Admiralty found that they were not eligible for any pension of any sort and naturally it rankled with them when they compared their lot with brother officers of rather more seniority. The regulation only permitted pensions to be paid by the treasury, and, of course, that department was not going to saddle its estimate with payments to officers with whom it had no connection. But it was felt that the injustice was there, and accordingly, in 1866, the matter was adjusted. The Chief Officer was entitled to a pension of £100 a year, with an additional £5 for each years service up to a maximum of £130, while his widow had a pension of £50 a year. In the case of the Senior Mate the pension varied from £82 to £110 in £3 steps, while his widow got £35. The Second Mate’s pension went up in similar steps from £62 to £100, the widow’s pension being £25. In other directions the pensions were quite satisfactory, except for those who had the job of preparing the estimates. For instance, it was not until 1883 that Mr. Oxenford died at the age of 100, the last surviving member of the old Force. He had enjoyed the pension that the Coastguard estimates paid him as compensation for losing his former billet no less than 52 years.” Reference; His Majesty’s Coastguard by Frank Bowen p 153,154. “The scale of pensions to widows and children of the service afloat had remained stationary since 1866, and in 1904 it was felt that something really ought to be done about the matter. The rates in operation were certainly inadequate for the requirements and scale of living of the day and they could not be called an inducement to get the right type of men into the service. Therefore, a new scale of pensions was started which gave them a wide range. The dependants of a Chief Officer were to receive £50 a year if he died in the course of his service, £80 if he were killed in action, and £65 if he were drowned on duty. The figures for the Second Mate were £25, £35 and £30 respectively, while compassionate allowances could be granted from £5 to £16 per annum. Reference; His Majesty’s Coastguard p 171. “The Coastguard Today. (1925 ish.) There is no pension scheme for the new Force, for it must be remembered that the men have all earned their naval pensions and will not be left destitute in any circumstance. But if a man retires at the age of 60 having had at least 15 years service in the Coastguard, he is entitled to a gratuity which is sufficient to set him up in a little business for the evening of his days should he feel so disposed” Reference; His Majesty’s Coastguard p 176. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Regards Tony Daly |
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| Tony |
Posted on 03/06/2009 20:50
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Hello again, Shane, Some Church of Ireland Baptism records Hodges. John of Samuel and Mary. Baptised 29 March 1831. Father Waterguard at Wicklow. Parish, Delgany. Co.Wicklow. Hodges. Charles Carter of Samuel and Sarah. Baptised 11 July 1841. Coastguard at Dalkey. Parish Killiney. Co.Dublin. Hodges. Robert of Samuel and Catherine. Baptised 14 March 1863. Born 21 January 1863. C.G. Pen. Woodbine Lodge. Hodges. Andrew of Samuel and Catherine. Baptised 4 June 1865. Born 19 May 1865. Father C.G. Pen. Woodbine Lodge. Hodges, Henry of Samuel and Catherine. Baptised 4 January 1872. Born. 25 May 1871. C.G.Pen. Woodbine Lodge. I have a note of Woodbine Lodge as located in Co.Wicklow. All these stations are close to each other on the East Coast. Did he remarry?. Regards Tony |
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| shanew147 |
Posted on 03/06/2009 21:55
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wow! - thanks for all this... I have to cross check some of the details against what I have already... Woodbine Cottage is in Bray, Co. Wicklow - some of his children were born there 1857,59,65,68... etc he served in Bray, Dalkey and Lambay and he was transferred to HMS Pelter in 1850 he remarried Catherine Nevin in Cork in 1854 - he is listed as a widower I dont know what happened to his first wife - except that his 1850 transfer mentions that it is '..due to inappropriate behaviour of her...'' !! his father is listed on the marriage as a John Hodges - glassmaker that 1841 birth detail you mentioned looks very interesting, as far as I remember Samuel was stationed in Dalkey at that time.. Shane Edited by shanew147 on 04/06/2009 09:02 |
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| shanew147 |
Posted on 04/06/2009 09:01
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this is the timeline I now have for Samuel 1794 Birth before 1831 Bray Station, Co. Wicklow 1831 transfer to Dalkey Station, Co. Dublin 1841 poss. child born in Dalkey, Co. Dublin 1847 transfer to Lambay Island Station, Co. Dublin 1850 transfer from Lambay to HMS Pelter (based in Folkstone, Kent ) 1854 2nd Marriage in Cork from 1857 children born in Bray from 1875 children born in North Dublin City 1884 Death in Dublin, age 90 Shane Edited by shanew147 on 30/12/2009 11:57 |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 04/06/2009 12:17
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Hi Shane Because of your comments about HMS Pelter I did a little digging, and found that she was transferred to the Coastal Blockade Service, in Folkestone, in 1826. On a hunch I checked the Establishment Book for England and found that the Brig Pelter, Folkestone was included (ADM 175/7 page 132 of 792). From this it would appear that Samuel did not remain on her long, because on the 15 April 1850 he was transferred back to Ireland to serve at Clogher Head - again the reason given was 'misconduct of wife'. Checking ADM 175/19 he was transferred to Blackrock, from Clogher Head, on the 16 April 1852, this time for the 'Good of Service'. Blackrock was to be his last posting, because on the 12 December 1856 he was pensioned on £34 per annum. (ADM 175/19 page 100 of 472). While he did serve in the CG Service during the period of the Crimean War, to date he is not one of those men who I have identifed as having seen active service. Regards Martin Edited by crimea1854 on 04/06/2009 12:19 |
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| shanew147 |
Posted on 04/06/2009 13:08
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hi Martin, thanks for that.. never knew anything about his Clogher Head, or Blackrock postings! I assume the Blackrock mentioned is the one in Co Cork.. this would fit the details I have as that was his residence listed on his 2nd marriage in 1854 we wondered how he ended up in Cork, and thought maybe he was involved in Crimea somehow Shane Edited by shanew147 on 04/06/2009 13:10 |
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| shanew147 |
Posted on 04/06/2009 18:10
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I've downloaded a few of the ADM 175 records and have located Samuel's service from 1831 through to his retirement. The earliest record ( ADM 175-018 page 10/454) lists him in Bray without a 'from' location which I assume means he signed on there ? It misses out his Dalkey posting and has him going straight to Lambay Island.. but the dates match up so I assume thats an oversight. thanks for your help with this, Shane |
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| donnellm |
Posted on 09/09/2009 12:20
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this does not tie up with my hodge family tree?? donnellm |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 09/09/2009 15:14
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Hi Donnellm Yours was rather a cryptic post, would you care to elaborate on it? Martin |
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| shanew147 |
Posted on 20/12/2009 18:02
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donnellm wrote: this does not tie up with my hodge family tree?? donnellm Hi donnellm... sorry only just noticed your post.. Not sure on the details or dates of your Hodge coastguard ancestor, but these are the up-to-date details I know about Samuel : birth : c1804, Bristol father : John Hodges, glassmaker before 1831 Bray Station, Co. Wicklow 1831 transfer to Dalkey Station, Co. Dublin c 1840 first wife Sarah 1841 child born in Dalkey, Co. Dublin 1847 awarded seaman's ticket (BT113) 1847 transfer to Lambay Island Station 1850 transfer from Lambay to HMS Pelter (based in Folkstone, Kent ) 1850 transfer to Clogher Head 1852 transfer to Blackrock, Cork 1854 2nd Marriage in Cork to Catherine 1856 retired while posted in Blackrock from 1857 children born in Bray from 1875 children born in North Dublin City 1884 Death in Dublin, age 90 [proved incorrect - should read 80] Shane Edited by shanew147 on 08/01/2010 12:06 |
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| shanew147 |
Posted on 30/12/2009 12:02
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following on from the details provided by Tony earlier I've now located three more children of Samuel and his first wife Sarah : Eunice Elizabeth - Sandycove 1834 Richard Christoper - Glasthule 1836 Charles Carter - Sandycove 1837 Shane |
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