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| baz1945 |
Posted on 04/12/2009 17:40
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I am trying to find any imformation on Cornelius Regan my Great-Great Grandfather.On my Great-Grandfathers John Regan marriage certificate his occupation is shown as "COASTGUARD".HE may have come from the Cork area . Any help would be most welcome. |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 04/12/2009 20:16
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Hi, and welcome to the Forum. It would help if you could provide an approximate date for when you think Regan was a Coast Guard. Martin |
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| baz1945 |
Posted on 05/12/2009 13:26
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Hi Thanks for your reply.Cornelius Regan was recorded on my Great-Grandfathers marriage certificate as a Coastguard in 1847. |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 05/12/2009 16:03
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Hi I have now found him, but it is likely to take a little time to sort out his career, because he is proving to be a bit of a challenge! The first entry I have for him is at Tourmore where he appears to have joined from 'RE Berehaven', but I've no idea what the RE stands for - this was on 22 July 1824. Tourmore CG Station then changed its name to Crookhaven, from where on 31 May 1826 he was removed to what looks like Currownish CG Station. Again I believe this station changed its name to Curraun, but to date I am having no luck finding him at either of these named stations, so the hunt goes on. Regards Martin |
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| aussienoel |
Posted on 07/12/2009 06:37
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The Cornelius Regan found by Martin was removed from Currownish on 5th January 1827, to Pullocheney. He was dismissed from Pullocheney on 17th November 1828. Can we be sure that we have the right man? The name "Cornelius Regan" or "Cornelius O'Regan" was not uncommon. I found several who had served in the Royal Navy after 1873. Noel |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 07/12/2009 07:11
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Hi Noel You could well be right, this may not be the man. I checked the Irish Index in ADM 175, and could only find one Cornelius Regan. However, I did not think to look for a Cornelius O'Regan  By the way you certainly did better than I finding him at Pullocheney. Regards Martin |
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| aussienoel |
Posted on 07/12/2009 22:53
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Martin, I looked for him in ADM 175/100, the list of recruits from 1830-1849. There's no Cornelius Regan or O'Regan listed as joining in that period. (There are other Regans however.) I find it odd that someone dismissed from the CG in 1828 would claim to still be a Coastguard at a marriage in 1847? However, given that no-one else of that name joined after 1830, perhaps we do have the right man? What is the ADM file for recruits before 1830? Is it downloadable from TNA? Incidentally, I noted a number of prefixes such as "R.E." in the records - in addition to "R.E." I saw "C.G.", "C.G.S.", "P.S." and a further search might reveal others. "C.G" and "C.G.S." are fairly obviously "Coast Guard" and "Coast Guard Station (or Service)." I'm going to guess that "P.S." is "Preventive Service", i.e. the Preventive Water Guard. Very conveniently, another entry is prefixed by "Reve. Estt." (see the establishment for Long Island on Page 3 of ADM 175/15). So, "R.E." means "Revenue Establishment." Noel |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 08/12/2009 07:41
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Noel I find the following indexes to the nomination registers very useful when trying to trace a man, particularly when a CG Station he served at is not known. However, there is a degree of duplication, because some men do appear in both English & Irish indexes: ADM 175/97 England 1827-40 ADM 175/98 England 1842-62 ADM 175/99 Ireland 1821-29 ADM 175/100 Ireland 1830-49 All can be downloaded from the NA. Thanks for solving the 'RE' question. It does now make sense, and adds a little bit more to my knowledge  Martin |
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| powera |
Posted on 22/12/2009 21:48
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Can't really add very much to the thread. I was not aware that Cornelius Regan had served at "Tourmore" which then changed it's name to Crookhaven. Just a few points - Crookhaven was a significant port and had a customs/revenue presence from at least 1709. The land for the station at Croohaven which is located in the townland of Rock Island was leased from February 1816. I am unsure when the actual buildings were occupied but there was a revenue presence there from at least 1822. Tourmore now spelt Toormore is a townland between the villages of Goleen & Schull, about 6 miles from Crookhaven Coastguard Station. Although coastal it is a somewhat unlikely location for a station with no harbour and a very difficult entrance. I am not aware of any station there. In terms of the use of "O" as in O'Regan this was rare in the 19th century prior to the Gaelic revival of the late 19th century. O'Regan is a reasonably common name throughout West Cork. Aidan |
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| diane |
Posted on 16/01/2010 12:44
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Hi I don't know if there's any link here. My great grandfather on my mother's side was James O'Regan, or Regan. I think he was a chief coastguard in Ireland at Morris Castle in 1873 as well as in other parts of Ireland. He was born in the Cork area . He was married to Margaret, desperate to know her maiden name, she was born at Roberts Cove. The family then moved to Wales and James continued as a coastguard until becoming the licencee of the Vanguard Inn in Merthyr Tydfil.My grandfather was born in Pembroke in the 1880's. I cannot find the marriage of James and Margaret, or his parents names. Any help or advice would be appreciated. |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 16/01/2010 16:25
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Diane, welcome to the Forum. I'm not sure that I can throw any light on your specific request for help, but the following may provide some clues, or at least provide some futher information to aid your search. According to Vanguards Establishment Book, James was born in Coolmore, Cork on 23 March 1829. However, when I traced his service history back, this date also appeared as 23 March 1831; and his online service record at the National Archives has the date as 23 March 1830! It could be worth downloading this particular record (for a small fee of £3.50), although it will only record his service FROM 1873, to his discharge. He certainly moved around a good deal, and as you say was appointed Acting Chief Officer at Morris Castle on 21 October 1873. If you would like full details of his service history please let me know. You make no mention of it, but he entered the Coast Guard service from HMS Nile on 20 April 1859, with a first posting to Killeries CG Station. Should you wish to find out more about his RN service you need to consult HMS Nile's Description Book (ADM 38/8614) at the National Archives, Kew. Not only will this provide his earlier RN service history, but will also provide a physical description, and whether single or married. Finally, I was struck by the fact that Margaret was born in Roberts Cove, the location of a CG Station. It is quite possible that she was the daughter of a CG man, and that she and James met at one of his postings. Regards Martin PS: If your Grandfather was born in Pembroke in the 1880's his birth certificate should give his mothers maiden name. Edited by crimea1854 on 16/01/2010 16:30 |
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| diane |
Posted on 16/01/2010 18:04
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Hi Martin Thank you so much for this. On Friday I did pay £3.50 to download his file but it didn't come through properly so I now have a query pending with the National Archives! In the meantime any information you can get me would be brilliant. Also I didn't realise that my great grandfather's birth certificate would show his mother's maiden name so I am definitely going to get a copy of it. It would be exciting if her father was a coastguard as it makes them all so much more traceable. Thanks again, this is a brilliant web site. Diane |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 16/01/2010 22:37
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Diane thanks for your kind words about the site. I have put the following together from the various Establishment and Ships Books in the ADM 175 series of CG records. 1 April 1862 from Killeries to Roundstone - moved as punishment 30 June 1866 to Baldoyle 1 March 1867 to Morris Castle 30 April 1868 to Cundore - Promoted Commissioned Boatman 9 May 1868 31 Dec 1869 to Morris Castle - Promoted Chief Boatman 9 April 1870 to Crookhaven 15 May 1872 to Old Head 21 Oct 1873 Morris Castle - Acting Chief Officer From this point you will have to consult his Service Record when the NA sort out the problem. Regards Martin |
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| diane |
Posted on 17/01/2010 00:12
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Thank you I will keep you posted on my progress. Diane |
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| diane |
Posted on 01/02/2010 19:35
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Hi Martin Just wanted to update you on the very small amount of progress I have made. I know now that Margaret O'Regan's maiden name was O'Callaghan, and that she was born in Roberts Cove in 1839. Do you by any chance know if there were any coastguards of that name in Ireland in the 18th century? I think I may have hit a brick wall at the moment. I tried to get James' HMS Nile records from the national archives using the number you gave me. However they have said that after a plemininary search they cannot give me an estimate of the cost and have suggested a visit to Kew, which we will do later. My focus is on Ireland at the moment as my sisters and I are going to visit Cork in April so I'm trying to gather as much as I can before we go. Thank you for all your help. Diane |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 02/02/2010 00:10
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Diane This just maybe a coincidence, but a George Callaghan entered the CG service in 1838, although I could find no evidence that he ever served at Roberts Cove. However, in the 1850's he was stationed at Claggen, the next CGS to Killeries, James Regans first posting! Possibly worth a little further research, but it could be a blind alley. Martin |
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| diane |
Posted on 02/02/2010 18:54
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Hi Martin Thank you again, as you said it may be nothing but worth looking at. Diane |
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| Brianhv |
Posted on 29/03/2010 17:02
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Diane Google, together with my quest for info concerning the family of James and Margaret O'Regan (O'Callaghan), led me to read your interesting exchanges here. Insofar as I am aware the couple had 9 children, one of whom, Maria Teresa (born Clifden, Co.Galway, c 1860) married my wife's g.uncle, Henry Augustus Owen (1860 - 1916). I am presently in communication with a great granddaughter of Henry and Teresa, who shares our interest in that particular Owen line and who my also be pleased share your information. Am I right in assuming that you are descended by way of William Frederick O'Regan, youngest of James and Margaret's brood? Brian Edited by Brianhv on 30/03/2010 10:32 |
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| diane |
Posted on 31/03/2010 18:39
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hi Brian Yes I'm one of William Frederick's grandchildren. He was always know as Thomas O'Regan and died aged 47 in Merthyr Tydfil in 1929, so I never knew him. My mother Margaret was his youngest child. His wife's name was Caroline Lewis and they had 13 children. Caroline died in 1923 when my mother was 2 weeks old. What we know of family history is that 'Thomas' had become estranged from his family around the time he married Caroline, so we have never had any links to any of the O'Regan's. You will know from reading the coastguard site that basically everything I know about James is there. I'm a bit stuck at the moment I would like to be able to trace the family back a bit further but don't know how to trace either James or Margaret's birth. I am actually going to Cork with my sisters in a couple of weeks as we have a lot of digging to do on both sides of our family as my maiden name was 'Heaffey'. I'm more than happy to share whatever family history I have or find out in the future. If you know anything that could help me I would be most greatful. Thanks Diane |
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| diane |
Posted on 14/04/2010 19:58
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Hi Martin and Brian Just to keep you up to date on our jaunt to Cork. We have made contact with the church which hopefully holds the records of james O'Regan's birth. We are hoping that this will give us the name of his father. Do either of you know if there is a likely coastguard candidate who could be his father or a relative. We know that there was a Jeremiah Regan in the same area that James' was born but we're not sure of the dates. Anything would be great while we are in the area we are going home on Friday. Diane |
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