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| Alaric |
Posted on 29/01/2009 22:01
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Two of my great-great uncles, Thomas D Fox b. 1858 and Charles Fox b. 1865 of Lydlinch, Dorset, orphaned young, joined the Royal Navy as Boys 2nd Class and wound up in the Coast Guards: Charles in England and Thomas in Ireland. Following these posts, I have been able to decipher most of their Naval records (Traced Medals, ratings, etc.) but I need help on others in the remarks column. Both start "FE" meaning? Then "CG £ 2-10 Lady" followed by a date. I assume this is a gratuity, but what does "Lady" mean? Once in the Coast Guard Tom has the notation "New (or Nero?) P.O. for Severn." Was he posted as a new petty officier, [probably not to the HMS Severn]?. Interpretation? Finally, when discharged as an invalid, CHarles has the the note: "Gr M.O.P". What does "M.O.P" stand for? Thanks Edited by Alaric on 29/01/2009 23:28 Ric
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 29/01/2009 22:32
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Hi Ric and welcome to the Forum. I think I can answer some of your questions, but it would help if you could post the actual service record; sometimes context helps! FE usually means 'First Entry', and normally applies at the start of a mans career when joining his first ship. The term 'Lady' applies to the start of the naval year, i.e. 25th March or 'Lady Day'. This was the end of the accounting period for the award of Good Conduct payments. Hope this at least clarifies a couple of your questions. Regards Martin Edited by crimea1854 on 29/01/2009 22:35 |
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| Alaric |
Posted on 29/01/2009 23:40
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Thank you so much Martin. I would never have figured out "Lady" but since a similar entry is marked "xmas" it makes perfect sense. I'll post the records once I shrink them down to a reasonable size. Meanwhile there is the remark that appears variously as "tmceased", "TM Ceased" and "TM csd." I assume this has nothing to do with "Traced Medal," but does it mean something like "Term ceased"? Thanks again. Ric Ric
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| Alaric |
Posted on 29/01/2009 23:52
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Hi Martin Attached is Charles Fox's record. Especially interested in the last lines when he was at Trevose Head in Cornwall. "Pres. IV"? Name of a coast guard vessel? "Gt M.O.P"? Something to do with his pension, like "Gratuity Man on Pension"? Just guessing. "NP 3240"? "New PO to Severn" Note reason for discharge "Invalid" Thanks in advance. PS Can enlarge, if necessary. Oops, the file failed to post, even though its only 220 Kb I'll try a small fragment. Darn. The fragment was only 104 KB, but I still don't see it. Am I missing something? Edited by Alaric on 30/01/2009 00:08 Ric
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| Alaric |
Posted on 30/01/2009 12:53
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Hello Martin I'm switching from Safari to Firefox, to see if my image of Charles Fox's Navy record will post. No. Iwill try again, removing spaces from the file name.
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Edited by Alaric on 30/01/2009 13:02 Ric
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| Alaric |
Posted on 30/01/2009 13:03
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Eureka! Now here is detail from the bottom of the page!
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 30/01/2009 14:15
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Ric thanks for posting the service record. A good deal of what follows is an educated guess, but a guess nevertheless. TM indicates a 'Trained Man' - see under Btn, Harwich - for which a man was paid additional monies. I assume that unless the man kept his training up to date 'TM ceased' would apply. NP3240 - when a man joined the CG service he was allocated a unique number, again I'm assuming this refers back to that number. M.O.P - In 1917 the Ministry of Pensions (established in December 1916) took over responsibility from the Admiralty for the payment of most forms of naval Pension; could this refer to them? Pres IV - HMS President certainly was an RNR training ship. It is possible that Pres IV was a shore based training establishment. When I did a search of the NA catalogue I couldn't find Pres IV, but did get a return for President V, a training establishment at Wetherby in 1942-44. Sorry I cannot be more precise, particularly given the struggle you had to download the Service Record. Regards Martin |
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| Alaric |
Posted on 30/01/2009 14:32
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Sorry I cannot be more precise, particularly given the struggle you had to download the Service Record. Regards Martin Martin, you could not have been more prompt or thoughtful. Thank you very much, as this has been a great help. As for file management, a note in the attachment directions "No spaces in filenames" might be in order, which I'll bet is an old Unix server quirk. I did find it mentioned under the FAQs. Again, thanks so much! Ric
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| Alaric |
Posted on 30/01/2009 14:49
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Another guestion about Gunnery engagements. I assume the attached are some sort of training ratings, which I read as: GPP 24 October 1885 [Gunnery practice ....?] S.G.Y.1.C 26 Feb 1886 [some rating first class?] Reg-d 27 June 1890 [registerd? for what?] Surely someone out there must know this. Sorry to show my ignorance of this!
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Edited by Alaric on 30/01/2009 14:49 Ric
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 30/01/2009 22:56
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Ric I think I can answer at least part of your question. The initials should be read as SGT 1C, which means Seaman Gunner Torpedoman 1st Class. The Whitehead 'automobile' torpedo was introduced into the RN in 1871, and Seaman Gunners were subsequently trained in their use, and a new rate created of Seaman Gunner Torpedoman. The suffix I read as 'Reqd', but what this means I've no idea. Regards Martin |
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| Alaric |
Posted on 31/01/2009 02:26
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crimea1854 wrote: Ric I think I can answer at least part of your question. The initials should be read as SGT 1C, which means Seaman Gunner Torpedoman 1st Class. The Whitehead 'automobile' torpedo was introduced into the RN in 1871, and Seaman Gunners were subsequently trained in their use, and a new rate created of Seaman Gunner Torpedoman. The suffix I read as 'Reqd', but what this means I've no idea. Regards Martin Fascinating! Surely "req'd" four years later means "re-qualified", no? Thanks so much. Ric
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