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| lyndamargaret |
Posted on 13/10/2008 19:48
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Hello everyone and first can I say what a fantastic site this is! A very kind gentleman, Ivan, in Swindon has done some research for me on my husband's ancestor John White who I knew came from the Isle of Wight and was a preventative boatmen. He has traced him from serving on the Revenue Cruiser 'Wickham' before joining the shore-based Coastguard in 1834 at East Cowes. He was a Boatman (I'm told the basic grade) at least up to 9th Jan 1839 where he was found at Ardglass, Co Down. Then Ivan 'lost 'John as the name of the station to which he was posted from Ardglass was impossible to read on the film. I think John must have died within the next maybe 5 years as in 1851 his widow Jane Maria White was in Liverpool aged 32 an annuitant with daughters Jane aged 15 born Isle of Wight and Sarah aged 10 born Ireland. I would love to know more---naturally! And Ivan gave me details of this site and I have seen a picture of Ardglass! I am still finding my way around this site but had to post a query in the hopes of someone being able to help. Keep up the good work Kind regards Lynda |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 13/10/2008 20:34
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Lynda Welcome to the Forum. The name your researcher could not read was Glynn CGS. The record shows that John White, Commissioned Boatman - the next grade up from Boatman - was removed from Ardglass on the 20th June 1840 to Glynn, unfortunately 7 days later, on the 27th June, he was discharged dead. Hope this has been of some help, even if it did not take you much further forward in time. Regards Martin |
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| lyndamargaret |
Posted on 13/10/2008 20:54
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Hi Martin I can't believe I have a reply already! Almost before it was posted!Is there anyway of knowing how John died? My kind researcher said if I found more about him it would eventually show him as 'DD' discharged dead- and so it was. Do you think he may have died in the course of duty? Only yesterday I knew nothing about John White apart from him maybe being in Ireland and now thanks to Ivan from Swindon and your very kind self I have all this extra information! My thanks are brimming over!! Kind regards Lynda |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 13/10/2008 22:19
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Lynda If he had been in the Royal Navy on board a ship I would have said it would be more than possible to establish a cause of death, because there are Registers of seamans deaths held at the National Archives. However, I do not believe that deaths of CGs' are recorded, although I'm quite happy to be corrected on this point. I think Tony is your best bet, because he has access to local registers and papers where such information might be held. Regards Martin |
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| lyndamargaret |
Posted on 13/10/2008 22:45
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Many thanks for that Martin. I shall send Tony an e-mail and keep fingers crossed. Lynda |
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| lyndamargaret |
Posted on 18/10/2008 23:28
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I hope I am posting this query in the correct place as it does refer back to my question about Ardglass--- my kind researcher, Ivan, has found more from the pages of ADM 175 about Glynn, where John White was sent to after Ardglass. He said 'DD' was followed by 'Vide 2403/40 '(possibly 2405) and is unsure as to what this means -- maybe a reference to some internal customs document relating to John White's death? Can anyone who is used to these terms help? I am getting used to this site more and have enjoyed using the web links to more info on other sites. Many thanks and kind regards Lynda |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 19/10/2008 09:17
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Hi Lynda I'm not sure that I can answer your question, however, I would hazard a guess that this does relate to some other piece of correspondence. I say this because, and I may be teaching you to suck eggs here, 'Vide' is Latin for 'refer too'; '2403' is most probably the document reference number and '/40' refers to the year, but whether this document still exists is another question. Alternately the number could refer back to an original appointment number. The Admiralty did maintain a whole series of records of correspondence, now in ADM 12 - index and digest volumes. Unfortunately when a letter arrived at the Admiralty a clerk would determine where it should be filed, and gave it a separate reference number. If you did want to know more about this series of records I would recommend Tracing Your Naval Ancestors by Bruno Pappalardo, in fact this is an invaluable book for anyone interested in this area of research. Regards Martin Edited by crimea1854 on 19/10/2008 17:00 |
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| lyndamargaret |
Posted on 19/10/2008 09:37
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Hi Martin Once again many thanks for your prompt reply--- I can feel a trip to Kew coming on! Maybe in the New Year --- last time we were there we devoted our time to a merchant seaman, David Griffiths, who 'married' Jane Susannah,the daughter of John White. I have never found their marriage although they had all but one of their 10 children baptised at St. Peter's Church, Liverpool. We found some interesting info on him -- he jumped ship (the Kangaroo) in Sept. 1855 at Balaklava according to the ships log. His death is as elusive as his marriage, he is on the 1881 census but Jane is a widow on the 1891, no trace of a death found for David. Sorry I ramble -- why does the time spent at Kew always go so fast? There really is no answer to that! Kind regards-again Lynda |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 19/10/2008 13:59
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Hi again Lynda You may already be aware of this, but the SS Kangaroo was engaged as a transport during the initial invasion of the Crimea, and then used to transport the sick and wounded to Scutari, and subsequently reinforcements and supplies from England. However, Balaklava seems a funny place to jump ship, particularly since the Crimean War was still going on, although September 1855 did see the fall of Sebastopol and the end of the seige. If you do go to Kew all the very best with your search. Regards Martin |
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| lyndamargaret |
Posted on 19/10/2008 14:30
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Thanks for that extra information Martin. I have just picked up my new copy of 'Practical Family History' to find an article on discovering coastguard records called 'Patrolling the coast' --- with a mention of this marvellous site! What timing! You may now be inundated with queries --- glad I got in first. Thanks again Lynda |
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