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| Nick Hill |
Posted on 21/08/2012 12:54
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Hi Folks New to all this coastgurad stuff and Irish Geography ;-) My wifes relative Thomas Thomas (born 1819 Padstow) was down as being in the coastguard on the 1861 census in Middleton(elmer station) Sussex Now he doesn't appear anywhere on the 1851 census and his son John was born 1850 in Delgany so I am assuming he was stationed in Ireland at this time Any ideas as to where to go for his records would be much appreciated It seems he died before 1871 as his widow Ellen turns up on the census as a Widow in Drypool near Hull cheers Nick |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 21/08/2012 16:18
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Welcome to the Forum Nick. To trace a mans CG career you need to access the CG Establishment Books on the National Archives website (ADM 175). These are available as free downloads, but be warned they are very large files! I'm happy to do this for you if you wished. Using Elmer as a starting point I traced him back to the point that he entered the CG service, which was from HMS Phaeton on 3 Sept 1852, with a first posting to Jury's Gap (ADM 175/7 pdf 166). It would therefore appear that his connection with Ireland was prior to him entering the CG. Your mans full name was Thomas Hawk(e) Thomas, and there's a Seaman's Ticket for him (451.933). This provides a physical description - 5' 71/4'' tall, brown hair, fair complexion, hazel eyes, first went to sea as a boy in 1832, when unemployed lives in Falmouth. This is dated 26 June 1849. I must admit to being a little concerned since there was another ticket to a Thomas Thomas, born Padstow March, 1819, but the physical description is almost identical. This ticket was issued at Cork in 1848 - could this be the same man? Finally, TH Thomas was one of the 2600 CG's who entered the navy during the Crimean War, serving on HMS Princess Royal in both the Baltic and the Crimea. While in the Crimea he was one of the men who manned the boats that took part in the attack on Taganrog in the Sea of Azoff. For his service he was awarded the Baltic Medal and Crimea Medal with clasps for Sebastopol and Azoff. He was invalided to Therapia on 11 Feb 1856. Hope this is of interest and helps. Martin Edited by crimea1854 on 21/08/2012 22:44 |
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| Nick Hill |
Posted on 21/08/2012 18:23
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That fantastic Martin many thanks for the quick reply I am also a little concerned about the two Thomas Thomas's is there any next of kin or spouses for either man to tie them up together? Will have to swat up on the Crimea as well now, her other ggrandfather was in the Boerwar!! Cheers Nick |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 21/08/2012 19:29
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Unfortunately naval records very rarely include family details. It might be worth checking Phaeton's Description Book (ADM 38/8709) and Log Books in the ADM 53 series, this can only be done in person at the National Archives, Kew. The Description Book would provide a list of his previous RN ships, and when he served on them, and the log books should provide an indication where the ship sailed. As a further check if at the NA you might look at Phaeton's Allotment Books in ADM 57. These note if a man asked that some of his pay be to be sent to a next of kin, and who that was. Finally there is a pension application from a Thomas Thomas (http://www.nation...ssmethod=0). This can be ordered online and takes about 3 weeks to come through. It might not be your man, but could establish if we have one or two men with the same name. Martin |
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| Nick Hill |
Posted on 22/08/2012 07:25
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Thanks for the clarification It may be a while before I can get down to Kew so I'll have to try and find some evidence form elsewher I seem to remember a Hawke popping up on a search I did some time ago. I found the Medal roll and there is a Thomas H Thomas and a Thomas Thomas!! I also need to recheck my family tree stuff to make sure I have the right ancestors there as well. I am still leaning toward TT rather than THT as TT has the ireland connection. As with all this family history stuff what seems to fit at first can often be a red herring ;-) Thanks for the advice and I will post if I get any more info Do you have information on TT's ticket Nick P.S. Great site |
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