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 Garretts or Kerslakes
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| boxerdog |
Posted on 21/09/2010 12:40
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My Grandfather (Garrett) was stationed at Ballinacarrigg, married and had 8 children, one son William married Henrietta Kerslake, daughter of Isaac Kerslake, station officer at Kingstown in 1907. I am old and very green with computers and can only understand about 10 per cent of ths site, however if anyone has heard of these names please contact. I saw another member called peterkerslake71 but he has not written anything since 2008, does anyone know how I could contact him? Tony has been a great help, Many thanks, |
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| bpa |
Posted on 21/09/2010 20:21
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I wonder if some names and dates are not quite right. I couldn't find children of William Garrett in Wicklow around the expected time period 1860-1900. I found a William Garrett who married Harriet Carr (b. Devon) in 1875 in England and who seemed to have been stationed in Wexford living near Coolseskin which is near the Bar of Lough coastguard station. and had a nunmber of children when he was there one of them was also called Harriet. William Garret is a Naval pensioner and living in Dublin according to 1901 & 1911 census, He has a son Henry Charles who was also a coastguard. See the 1911 entry http://www.census...eet/65605/ Regarding Isaac Kerslake. There is one born around 1843 in Exeter, Devon and according to England 1871 Census was a seaman on HMS Royal Adelaide. He does not appear on 1881 census but an Isaac Charles Kerslake get married in 1877 in Dublin (Balrothery registration) to Bessie Anne Molyneaux and there are a few birth records where Isaac is the father. He dies in Dublin in 1901. Although I can't find an Irish birth/baptism record, a Harrietta Kerslake married in Dublin in 1906. There is a Harriette Kerslake (age 16 born in Cork) in 1901 Census in Powerscourt, Enniskerry, whose mother is Elizabeth - see http://www.census...n/1812270/ . So both names have navy / coastguard associations, this quick search didn't find a connection. edit: There are entries for 2 Isaac Kerslake's in Kew archives in the UK http://www.nation..._date+desc There are GRO records Kerslakes born in Cork for Elizabeth Gertrude in 1878, Frederick Thomas in 1880 and Isaac Charles in 1883. . Edited by bpa on 21/09/2010 20:52 |
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| GerardLawless |
Posted on 22/09/2011 16:44
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Hi I am tracing my wifes family at moment. I have a John Francis Garrett who was a light house keeper I believe on Lambay Island and poolbeg light at ringsend. His father was an Edward Stephen Garret who in the original marriage cert is listed as navy profession ??? I think but writing pretty bad. Get in contact if you need more info or if you have any more info. |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 23/09/2011 07:27
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Hi Could it be 'naval pensioner', in which case could this be your man? http://www.nation...ltcount=13 Martin |
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| Tony |
Posted on 23/09/2011 11:23
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Hi Some Kerslake items. Church of Ireland Baptismal record. James Molyneux Kerslake of Isaac and Elizabeth. Bapt. 12 April 1891. Born 16 March 1891.Father Coastguard at C.G. station at Balbriggan. Co.Dublin. Church of Ireland Marriage record. Garret, William John. f/a. Bach. H.M.New zealand. Yeoman Signals. of William John Garrett, Coastguard Station Officer. and Henrietta Kerslake. f/a. Spin. 21. of Isaac Charles Kerslake. Station Officer Coastguard. Kingstown. Co.Dublin. Deaths in “Wicklow People” Sat. 26th May 1900. p.4. Garrett: 23 May 1900 at 44 North Summer-st Dublin, Susan Amelia, eldest & dearly loved dau of William & Harriet Garrett, late officer of Ballinacarrig Coastguard Station, Co Wicklow, aged 17yr. 'Forever with the Lord' Interred in Drumcondra Churchyard on Friday 25th inst." Tony. |
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| GerardLawless |
Posted on 05/11/2011 12:52
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Hi Guys Some great help there. From your link. I found out that Edward Stephen Garret and William John Garret where brothers who were both born in Tyneham, Dorset. Their father was Edward Garret and Mother Susan Garret. They both joined the navy, William having a longer career. I also have the birth cert of a John Francis Garrett who was born on the Aran Islands and Christened 1857 in the parish of Killannin, Co Galway. His father is Edward Garret Coastguard and mother is Susan Garrett. So Edward and Susan moved about quite alot. Thank you guys for your help ! I was wondering would I be right to assume that the father of Edward Garrett Married to Susan must have also been a navy man ? Would you have any idea of how I might trace the next set of parents ? |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 05/11/2011 15:10
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Hi Gerard I'm 99.99% certain that I have the answer to your question, once you read this post I hope you agree! There was an Edward Stephen Garrett who was nominated to the CG service from HMS Impregnable on 23 December 1843, with a first posting to Warbarrow, Dorset (ADM 175/6 pdf 358). He remained at this station until 25 May 1846, when he was posted to Ballygeary (ADM 175/7 pdf 389). His next move was on 10 September 1849 to Barna, the reason given for this move was the ill health of his wife (ADM 175/19 pdf 54). On 15 September 1852 he transferred to Lettermore/Kilkeran, then on to North Isle of Arran following his promotion to Commissioned Boatman on 18 September 1858. It is now worth saying that from my own research an Edward Garrett was one of those CGs who re entered the navy during the Crimean War. Edward served on HMS Prince Regent in the Baltic, and HMS Royal Albert in the Crimea earning both the Baltic and Crimea Medals, together with the Turkish Medal. It was while on the Royal Albert that he took part in the boat action during the attack on Taranrog on 3 June 1855, gaining the Azoff clasp to go with his Sebastopol clasp on the Crimea Medal. His Baltic medal was sent to the Galway CG District in 1857. On Prince Regent he was rated AB, and Ships Corporal on Royal Albert. From the Ships Description Book I established that he was born in Woolwich, Kent @1811. I next picked him up in the CG Establishment Book ADM 175/69 pdf 325 on North Isle of Arran, in this he confirms his place of birth as St Marys, Woolwich, but gives his date of birth as 9 June 1816. In this record he states that his last ship was Royal Albert. This takes his career up to the late 1860's when unfortunately this series of records ends. Regards Martin PS: I've just checked the BDM Index and there is a Marriage of an Edward Stephen Garrett to a Susan Lang that took place in Stoke Damerel, Devon in the Oct - Nov Qtr 1843, Vol. 9 , page 517, again I would not mind betting that this is your man. Merged on 06/11/2011 12:35:25: Hi You might also care to visit the Familysearch.org website. because there is a bapt. record of an Edward Stephen Garrett, born 9 June 1816 to a William John Garrett, shipwright, and Amelia that took place in Woolwich. A further search revealed quite a few children to the same parents. Martin Edited by crimea1854 on 06/11/2011 12:35 |
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| GerardLawless |
Posted on 09/11/2011 10:39
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HI Crimea 1854 Firstly may I say what an amazing piece of research you did. What an incredible story. At the moment I'm tracing the family tree for my mother in law who has asked me to look into it. She will be so happy to find out more about her relatives. My wife also was very happy to find out so much. I went on to a well known genealogy site and someone had done out the Garrett family tree. From it I was able to get a copy of the baptism register of St Mary Magdalene church in Woolwich, Kent. With your research and what I have we can now confirm that Edward Stephen Garrett was indeed born in Woolwich on 9th June 1816 and baptised the 7th of July 1816. He is the son of William John and Amelia Garrett. It is interesting to note that William John has his profession down as a Ships Wright. Which I am led to believe is a ships carpenter, Although I'm sure you know more about the profession than me. I believe that Woolwich had a large shipyard. I guess the sight of the ships and their fathers profession gave the Garretts a love of the sea. I have also tracked some census results for the Garrett family. If you need any of the documents I can send them on to you. I got william John and Edward Garretts Naval records but I'm afraid I'm not really able to interpret them very well any help would be greatly appreciated. Once again Thank You for all your help. What a great Website !!! |
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| boxerdog |
Posted on 21/12/2011 15:34
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Hi, Sorry I have not been on the site for a long time, I thought that we may have come to a dead end. However being a Garrett I have researched back a long way to an Edward Garrett born in Woolwich 1700-1771. Crimea 1854 posted a brilliant article on my Great, Great Grandfather, Edward Stephen Garrett who was born in Woolwich 1816. We always thought that they were shipwrights but he was in the Navy and CGs. My Father always said that in his old tin box of medals there was a crimean medal from some ancestor, unfortunately the box was stolel many years ago. I can be of great help to GerardLawless and his wife's family, starting from Edward Stephen Garrett 1816 (Woolwich) he was one of 12 children all born in St Mary Magdalen, Woolwich. He married Elizabeth Brighurst 1838 who died and then married Susanna Coren, Stoke Damerel, Devon 1843. They had two children, Edward Stephen Garrett 1844 and my Great Grandfather William John Garrett 1845 Worbarrow, Tyneham, he married Harriett Carr in 1874. They had 8 children, 4 boys (all RN) and 4 girls. The second son, Willian John Garrett 1879 my Grandfather, had an amazing life. Boer war HMS Blanche 1900, First world war (Dogger Bank and Heligoland Bight) 1919 enlisted Coastguard and retired 1934. Recalled 1939 at the age of 60 to Cape Wrath Signal Shore Station and all over England until he died in 1945. He went from a boy 2nd class to Lieutenant Commander, and recieved 8 medals. He had two sons and a daughter, my uncle died on HMS Glorious in 1941, and Dad got smashed up in North Africa. If GerardLawless would like copies of service records and full family tree just get in touch. Thanks for all your information crimea1854, I may need correcting here and there. Merged on 22/12/2011 12:22:39: Hi Tony, Going back a year an up date on the Kerslakes. I was trying to make a connection between the Kerslakes and the Molyneaux families because we always believed they escaped from France to Ireland at the time of the French revolution,( they were seamstresses. not royalty!) We drew a blank but some interesting coastguard items came up. James Molyneaux born 1825 Liverpool married Susan Ward 1857. RN service 36281 volunteered 10 years 1858. HMS Vanguard Coastguard pensioned 1875. Son, James Molyneaux born 1866 Lusk, Dublin. Son, John Molyneaux born 1868 Kilsallaghan, Dublin. Daughter, Elizabeth Anne Molyneaux born 1858 Devonport England married Isaac Kerslake born 1842 married 1871. Isaac Kerslake served with my Great Grandfather William John Garrett 1845, on Vanguard 1875, Iron Duke 1877, Topaze 1878, Belleisle 1890, and Kingstown. Coastguards, Chief Boatman in Charge. Isaac Kerslake had daughter Henrietta(my Grandmother) born Co. Cork 1885, William Garrett had son William Garrett (my Grandfather) 1879 in Bar of Lough, Wexford. They must have grown up together. Grandad went on to do 45 years service for RN and Coastguards, promoted to Chief Officer Signal Shore Stations, retired 1934, recalled 1939 died 1945. Never did find out where the Molyneauxs came from apart from Liverpool. Kind regards. Edited by boxerdog on 22/12/2011 12:22 |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 12/01/2012 15:35
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Hi I've just returned from a visit to the National Archives, and while there took the opportunity to look at HMS Impregnable's Ships Description Book (ADM 38/8344). This provided the following information for Edward Garrett Snr: He was 5' 8 1/2'' tall with blue eyes, light brown hair and with a fresh complexion. He is described as having both arms 'variously tattooed', and with a scar on his right knee, originally being 'brought up to the sea'. His prior service is shown as follows: HMS Hastings, Ord, 5 June 34 - 10 Jan 38 - Good HMS Medea, AB, 23 Feb 38 - 23 Nov 39 - Good HMS Poictiers, AB, 7 Dec 39 - 15 Oct 40 - Good HMS Howe, AB/Capt. Coxn, 16 Oct 40 - 27 March 43 - Good HMS Impregnable, AB, 28 March 43 - no discharge date. Hope this is of some interest. Martin |
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| boxerdog |
Posted on 12/01/2012 18:58
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Hi Martin, Thanks for the information on Stephen Garrett Snr. (1816) when you said 'brought up to the sea', both his sons were down as 'fisher lads' on their service records. It gets quite confusing working out when he was at sea or ashore, apart from the dates that you gave me the only dates I could rely on were those when he came ashore to have children! I have pieced together something close to what he may have got up to after leaving HMS Impregnable, I am expecting quite a few of corrections here:- 28 Mar. 1843 AB. HMS Impregnable (appropriate name for what follows) 31 Jan. 1844 Had first son Edward Stephen Jnr. Tyneham. 02 Mar. 1845 Had second son William John. Tyneham. 24 Jun. 1846 Ballygeary. 10 Sep. 1849 Barna. 10 Sep. 1852 Lettermore/Kilkeran. Mar. 1855 HMS Prince Regent, Baltic/Crimea war. 03 Jun. 1855 Taranrog boat action, Ist. Oct. 1854- 9th. Sept. 1855. 26 Jun. 1856 HMS Royal Albert, 2nd May 1856-22nd Nov. 1856. 05 Jul. 1856 Azoff British Battles date. 18 Apr. 1857 Baltic medal sent to CG District. 18 Sep. 1858 North Isle of Arran. If I am anywhere near close I will be very happy. I went onto the Tyneham & Worbarrow site (www.tynehamopc.org.uk/tyneham). on which I found their baptisms recorded, one under the name of Garnet. If you go to the section sea and smuggling, they are under the Register of Seamen, just below the Smugglers Roll of Honour. Well worth a read. All my ancesters seem to have been tattooed, I was always told that my Grandmothers father was a clergyman only to find out that he was in the RN and CGs Chief boatman in Charge and tattooed with a man and horse on his chest! I am not sure how much further I can go, I cannot thank the COY enough for all their help, it has been fascinating and great fun. Phil. |
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