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 Superannuated Coastguards.
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| kaigoddess |
Posted on 03/08/2010 00:15
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Thank you for reading and any help offered. I am searching for the records of my GGGT and GGT grandfathers. Edward PILCHER (Sr.) was born in 1786, in Ivychurch, Romney Marsh, Kent. (wife, Sophia) In 1841 he is in Shanklin station (aged 55.) Edward PILCHER (jr.) was born in 1812, in Harwich, Essex. (wife, Elizabeth) In 1851, he is stationed at Yarmouth. I'd like to know how to find out about their coastguard or preventitive waterguard records, especially if Edward Sr had a pension as I don't know where he died or is buried. Any help is apprechiated...Thank you. |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 03/08/2010 08:59
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Hi, and welcome to the Forum. For the time period you are interested in, you have to rely on the CG Establishment Books. These are in the ADM 175 series of documents at the National Archives. However, the good news is that they can be downloaded for free from the NA's website - the bad news is that they are extremely large files! From these it is possible to trace a mans career, using a known posting as a starting point. To provide you with a start I looked at ADM 175/6 and found Edward (snr) at Shanklin (page 304 of 779). This records him as a Chief Officer, but being discharged to pension on 30 May 1843. It also provides details of his last posting, so you could trace his career backwards. In the same Establishment Book is Edward (jnr), Boatman, stationed at Stokes Bay (page 292 of 779). Using this as a starting point his whole career in the CGs should be able to be found. I have these files saved on my computer, so should you not wish to trace their careers yourself, I' more than happy to do it for you. Just out of interest I also found a John Pilcher, born Rye approx. 1784, first appointed to the Preventative Service in January 1817. Regards Martin |
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| kaigoddess |
Posted on 03/08/2010 15:08
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Hello Martin, Thank you for such a quick reply!! I would love any help you can provide in sorting out the careers. As you seem to have a grasp of this stuff and I'm very novice at coastguard lingo and lore.. I noticed you listed Edward jr as Boatman and Edward sr as Officer. Is this a rank system for enlisted people in the coastguard? I think Edward sr might have been a waterman..but that was before the coastguard was formed? Edwards father was John Pilcher. I think The "John" from 1784 would be a older brother if related? I dont have much information on the family until around 1850ish.. The more we dig, the more we find... Thank you!! Kai |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 03/08/2010 19:52
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Hi Kai, I’ve now traced both Edward Snr. and Jnr’s service history from the ADM 175 records, although for EP Snr there does remain a gap at the start of his service that I have been unable to fill. So starting with EP Snr., the first record I have for him is while stationed at Hole Haven, and his subsequent move to Burnham Overy Staith on 22 December 1821. At this time he was rated a Commissioned Boatman, which indicates that there must be some prior service, but he does not feature in any of the earlier records, which is most frustrating. On 18 April 1826 he was removed to Sconce Point, Cowes, following his promotion to Chief Boatman. His next move was to Freshwater, on 28 March 1831, and then on 4 April 1831 it was back to Sconce Point. His final move came in September 1836 when he was transferred to Shanklin, from where he retired on 30 May 1843. However, I had a little more success with EP Jnr. He entered the CG Service on 30 September 1834 from HMS Herald, with a first posting to Shingle End Coast Guard Station, (this ship was named HMS Termagant when launched in 1822, but was renamed Herald – a survey vessel – in 1824). On 14 March 1836 he was transferred to Stokes Bay, and then on 3 May 1843 to Portsmouth Harbour. His final move was to Hill Head on 18 May 1846, from where he was discharged on 20 June 1849, on an allowance of £12-4 for two years. Irrespective of a man’s rate in the Royal Navy, when he joined the CG Service he entered as a Boatman. From this he could progress to Commissioned Boatman, Chief Boatman, Chief Boatman in Charge and finally Chief Officer. Hope there is something new in this information. Regards Martin |
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| kaigoddess |
Posted on 04/08/2010 17:49
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Thank you so much Martin! I tried to handle the national archives site, it's a bit of a doozie. Im thinking that because Edward Jr was born in Harwich in 1812, that maybe his dad might have service there and hence I have a start for the missing bit. He is a bit of a ghost fleeting about. Thank you for covering the rank system which I didnt know about. Sincerely, Kai Edited by kaigoddess on 04/08/2010 17:49 |
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| kaigoddess |
Posted on 06/08/2010 17:52
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update: I found an obscure book from the Houses of parliment? proceedings on Google that has pages and pages of listings for waterguards from 1817 and 1818. I put in edwards name in search box and two refs. came up for his earlier service. http://books.goog...mp;f=false You can copy paste the link if it doesnt click for more waterguards.. Im sure you probably have this already, but you were kind enough to share, I thought I should too.. reguards, Kai Edited by kaigoddess on 06/08/2010 17:53 |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 07/08/2010 08:15
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Hi Kai Many thanks for the link, this particular document is a new one to me, and your link will certainly now go in my 'favourites' box. I see that Edward served on Enchantress. I had hoped that her muster book might have survived, but again it looks as if you are to be unlucky, but keep plugging away, I'm sure you this will be rewarded with a break-through. Regards Martin |
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