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 William Browne ( born c 1824) Coastguard
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| kilmeny |
Posted on 27/08/2009 11:39
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William Browne is, as far as we can tell, the brother-in-law of John Ost ( see other info. ) He died , aged 75, on 2/12/1899 and is buried in Dugort Churchyard, Achill. As a Coastguard he was in receipt of a pension, and ( previously unknown to us) had been married. His wife had died before him. Did he have any children ? I know nothing about this man, no idea of his service record etc. , but suspect that he was born in Donegal, and definitely in Ireland. His parents were more than likely William and Unity Browne ( nee Boyle ). If any reader is also researching our William, please lets pool resources and share info. Any help will be most appreciated, so that we can learn something of this man's life. To have lived for 75 years and have nothing remembered about him within the family , seems rather sad. He must have made a mark somewhere ? MANY thanks.......................Kilmeny |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 27/08/2009 15:09
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Welcome back to the Forum Kilmeny. I'm sure that this is the same William Brown(e) that Margaret Graham is researching, and that you are already both in touch about this particular Brown(e) family. Just out of interest I tried to trace Brown(e)'s service in the CGs. He entered from HMS Neptune on 3 October 1856. Since HMS Neptune was one of the ships in the Baltic Fleet during the Crimean War I checked the Baltic medal roll, and found William Brown, AB, Ships No. 399 - his medal was sent to Keel CGS, Achill on 2 May 1857. This ties in nicely because his first posting in the CG service was to Achilbeg. He was removed from here to Jury's Gap CGS, in England, on 19 October 1860, and from there to Folkstone on 14 March 1861. A check of the 1861 Census shows that at this date he was unmarried, and gave his place of birth as Sligo. I have to say that I was beginning to think that perhaps I had the wrong man, but the next record saw him transferred back to Ireland and Achilbeg CGS on 3 June 1864. His next move was to the adjacent station at Keel on 12 October 1864 - at this point I've lost him!! However, one of the last records consulted gave is date of birth as 28 December 1825, and that he was born in Easky (?), Sligo. Regards Martin |
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| kilmeny |
Posted on 27/08/2009 16:11
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Martin, Once again , you are AMAZING and so helpful, - I could give you an e-hug! Since posting my query, I also found the same 1861 Wm. B. in Broomhill, Kent, and half hoped it might prove to be him, as he did seem to be the most likely chap. I also found a Wm. Browne in Fulwood Barracks, Lancs....right age , single and ' from Ireland ', as a Corporal in 1851. Do you think this could be a possible sighting too ?, and if so, how could I find more info. from the Barracks records , ie: when he joined and when moved on and into CG service,( if that was likely) ? Yes, it was Margaret who sent me the death info today, confirming our suspicions that William could have been a CG. I am trying to flesh-out our skeletal info., and knowledge of the Browne/Ost family. Every scrap helps! For anyone's interest, an elderly Ost aunt, who had subconsciously ' hoovered-up' family gossip at the knees of her spinster Achill aunt, remembered her saying ..." Grandfather was the first man to build a slate-roofed house in Easkey." But it has proved impossible to say exactly which of several possible grandfathers, and even which generation, that could have been. Maybe now we could be on his trail. I had been pursuing the wrong man, believing it to have been a George Atkinson. We shall see ! Many thanks again.....Kilmeny |
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| Margaret Graham |
Posted on 27/08/2009 18:16
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Thank you for looking up the info on William, three possible children in Achill have been foung by Val. I will send away for a birth cert as they were born after 1864 and this should tell us what we want to know. William had two brothers called William and George and I have always wondered if they joined the coastguard service, they were born in the first decade of the 19th century. They are the only two family members I know nothing about except for their baptism's in Drumholm Parish Church. Margaret |
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| Margaret Graham |
Posted on 27/08/2009 18:27
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Sorry, George and William were uncles of William and brothers of his father John who was also in the Coastguard. Margaret |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 27/08/2009 18:50
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Hi Kilmeny I will consider myself e-hugged  If it were me, my next move would be to consult HMS Neptune's Description Book in the ADM 38 series of documents at the National Archives, because this should list William's naval service before entering the CG Service. However, I think it extremely unlikely that the Corporal, found in the 1851 census, is the same man. I should have thought to do this earlier, but with a place and date of birth I checked the online records and found William. This will only cover the last few years of his service, but it will help establish when he was pensioned. http://www.nation...ultcount=2 All the best Martin Edited by crimea1854 on 27/08/2009 18:58 |
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| kilmeny |
Posted on 27/08/2009 22:23
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Thank you for suggestion, Martin, I have downloaded the doc. from NA, and find that he was retired 17.4.1882 He served on the Valiant from 1.1.1873 until the date of his retirement. So it looks as though he spent these last nine years , at least, serving on same CG ship as his brother-in-law, John Ost, who was the same age. The ADM 38 HMS Neptune doc. will have to wait till I can get to London. But this is a start ,-- when I discover more I will post it here. Thanks so much....Kilmeny |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 28/08/2009 07:51
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Hello Kilmeny Because of the info in your last post that he was on Valiants Books, I was able to pick up his career again. While at Keel he was promoted to Commissioned Boatman on 6 February 1867, being transferred back to Achilbeg on the 25 February 1867. Two years later on 30 October 1869 he was promoted again, this time to Chief Boatman, and it was again back to Keel where he remained until 29 September 1871 when he was promoted to Chief Boatman in Charge and once more returned to Achilbeg! The record you downloaded from the NA has the remainder of his career. Just to clarify one point, from the mid 1860's each Coast Guard district was allocated an HQ vessel, so men appear to be serving on a ship, where infact they are still serving at a land based CG station - HMS Valiant was the ship asigned to the Limerick District, which includes Keel and Achilbeg CGS. In the event of a national crisis this ship and her CG crew would have put to sea as part of an inshore squadron. Regards Martin |
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| kilmeny |
Posted on 29/08/2009 09:32
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Hello Martin, Once again you have added another link to the chain and firmed up some clues I had been juggling. I have found three BROWNE children Baptised at Dugort. Knowing that William died a widower, I wondered whether they had any children, so, as the dates tie in exactly with Wm's postings, I am going to tentatively assume they might be his offspring. I will list them now: 1)Catherine Browne 1866....died 1867 2)William Browne 1869 3)John Browne 1877 I know from other messages on your forum, that you have access to some wondrous list of CG children (!).....if so can I beg you to look for these too? I was unable to obtain more detailed info about the children on the site I was using. Their charges are exorbitant, and I'm doing this on a shoe-string. Thank you for explaining about the relevance of the ships...I had imagined that they spent most of their time at sea.....but not so. Thank you for all your input. Do you ever leave your computer, and SLEEP ? I keep saying it, but I'll repeat it, -- that this site is a wonderful find, and many researchers are indebted to you all......Kilmeny |
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| kilmeny |
Posted on 29/08/2009 17:56
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A correction to the last posting! Those three children were NOT William Browne's. Also, his wife would appear to have been Elizabeth ??? She died 11.03.1893, aged 70, in Dugort. Margaret Graham has just found this info. However, William and Elizabeth may have had children, born elsewhere between 1861 and 1893, although she wouldn't have had many childbearing years left, as born approx 1823. Another query.....were there any Coastguards named Atkinson in the Sligo/ Donegal area around the early1800s, please? Thanks for any help....Kilmeny |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 30/08/2009 13:27
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Hi Kilmeny I've looked at the earliest records I have for Ireland, and couldn't find any Coast Guards called Atkinson - sorry. Martin |
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| Margaret Graham |
Posted on 30/08/2009 18:26
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Martin, May I com in on this. Thank you for all your information on William. He had two uncles George and William born 1806 and 1808. I have often thought that they may have been in the Coastguard as well, as I have proof the family maintained close ties. Would it be possible to check or how would I go about it myself, they are the only two I have no record of except their baptismal records. Thank you Margaret |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 30/08/2009 21:14
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Hi Margaret I'm more than happy to try and find these men, but because both christian and surnames are quite common I do need a little more to go on. Unfortunately it is only the CG records from the mid 1860's that include details of birth dates, by which time both of these men would have left the service. However, if you have a CG Station, or location where they are known to have stayed for some time, I may be able to identify likely candidates. Regards Martin |
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| Margaret Graham |
Posted on 31/08/2009 22:33
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Thank you, Martin, but I would have nothing at all just a hope. Margaret |
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| kilmeny |
Posted on 06/09/2009 17:32
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If there is someone reading this, who now lives in , or near, Dugort on Achill Island, I wonder if you would do me a HUGE favour please? Although I visited the graveyard at St. Thomas Church in Dugort, in the mid1990s, I did not realse the significance of the grave of a William Browne. I now know him to be related to the Ost family of Coastguards, also living some of the time in Dugort. The actual grave is quite close to that of John and Elizabeth Ost, and not far from the church building. If you could photograph the inscription on the gravestone, and post it on this site I would be so pleased. Failing that, a transcript of it would do almost as well. All the info I have on this man is posted above. This may just be a very long-shot.....but who knows! Many thanks......Kilmeny Edited by kilmeny on 15/09/2009 10:59 |
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