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 Tutton, Buike, Mountstephens
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| private_helen |
Posted on 18/11/2008 15:14
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Hello, I have several generations of coastguards in my family, but know very little about them. My great grandad, George Tutton (born 1868), was stationed at Rosapenna (?), Ireland, in 1917. He left Ireland around 1920, and was coastguard at West Bay, Dorset. My Great, great Grandad, William Richard Buike, was a coast guard. Although he was born in Ireland (1848), I'm not sure if he was ever stationed there. He was stationed for many years on the Isle of Wight, until his death in 1901. According to William Buike's marriage certificate (Knockbreda, Co. Down 1875), his father, James Buike, was a coast guard in Co. Down Ireland- I have no details of where. William Buike's father-in-law was also listed as a coastguard officer- Joseph Mountstephens. I've just seen his name mentioned in an article on this site- I'm off to have a closer look at that now!! Please get in touch if any of these names ring a bell- would love to know where they might have been stationed. Many thanks. Helen ps. Great site  |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 18/11/2008 22:00
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Hi Helen, and welcome to the Forum. On the Buike side I need to do a lot more digging, but because of the copperplate used in the documents it is very difficult to distinguish between 'Buike' and 'Burke' - I will, however, keep looking! The good news is that Mountstephens is much easier. Joseph M joined the CG service in 1853, from the Royal Navy, where his last ship was HMS Phoenix. His first posting was to Rush CG Station. However, it was not long before he was recalled to the Navy during the Crimea War, where he served on HMS Caesar (Ships No.251) and earned the Baltic Medal. When he first entered Caesar he gave his place of birth as Stonehouse, and his age as 37, which puts his birth around 1817. To find out more about his early naval career it would be worth looking at the ship's description book for HMS Phoenix in the ADM 38 series of documents at the National Archives. This should have listed all his previous ships, and the dates that he served on them, together with a physical description. Watch this space, and I'll see what else I can find! Regards Martin |
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| private_helen |
Posted on 19/11/2008 07:44
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Martin- you are a star!! Thankyou so much. I have never known much about my Mountstephen ancestors- so this is fab news. I believe Stonehouse is in Devon, so will hopefully be able to continue my research on this family and I will definately try the National Archives for the HMS Pheonix description book. As to the Buikes- yes, the name has been mistranscribed many times in the census returns- Burke, Binke etc. making it quite difficult to trace them.... However, I do now have a little more information on William Richard Buike (born 1848 Cork): He joined the coast guard service from the Navy in 1875- serving at Pevensey, St. Leonards, South Yarmouth, Ryde, East Cowes (where he was promoted to Chief Officer), Atherfield and finally Ventnor. Written in his obituary (3rd August 1901): 'Mr Buike had been in the service for 39 years, joining when a boy of fifteen. By exemplary conduct and the sailors characteristic cheerful obedience he gradually gained promotion, about 12 years ago being appointed to the rank of Chief Petty Officer. He served two years in this rank at Atherfield, and was then removed to Ventnor....In 1866, as an able seaman on the Canadian station, he accompanied the force sent to quell the Fenian agitation.' (He recieved the Fenian Raid Medal for this, He also held a long service medal). 'On the occasion of the stranding of the "Eider" on Ashfield Ledge about ten years ago, Mr Buike received by letter the thanks of the German Emperor for his services in connection with the landing of the passengers and crew and the valuables in the vessel, and he was also thanked personally by the present King, then Prince of Wales, who visited the scene of the disaster.' I am now trying to locate the letter from the German Emperor from some elderly relatives- it would be fantastic if it were found! The obituary also describes the Fenian Raid Medal: 'The medal is attached to a ribbon of two red stripes divided by a white stripe, and on one side are the well-known features of her late Majesty, and on the other the words "Canada. Fenian Raid, 1866." Although all this information is fantastic, I am still trying to find information on William's father, James Buike, who served as a coast guard in Ireland- so any little titbits you could find would be great. Thanks again, for your welcome and the information on Mountstephens- you have been a huge help. Helen. |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 19/11/2008 10:16
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Hi Helen Taking the birth of William R in 1848 as a starting point, I searched all the Coastguard Stations in Cork in the ADM 175 series for this period. I’m pleased to say that my hunch paid off, as I eventually found James Buike at Glandora CGS. From here I was able to trace his career both backwards and forwards in time. He did have something of a chequered career. The earliest date that I have any record for him is at Molk Cove on 5 July 1834. This records his apparent transfer from Long Island, although when I tried to take his service further back there is no mention of him as being at this particular CG Station. One possible explanation is that this is where he lived when he joined the CG Service, I have seen similar examples before where a man’s hometown has been used in documents when it’s his first entry. On the 2 October 1840 he was transferred, with the rank of Boatman, from Molk Cove to Barlouge. On the 31 March 1841 he was promoted to Commissioned Boatman and transferred to Glandora (Union Hall). Unfortunately he must have done something to upset his Chief, because on the 10 November 1853 he was transferred to Crowsfordburn (Clandeboye) as a punishment. Again he blotted his copybook, because he was demoted back to a Boatman and removed to Cloghy on 18 June 1859, this time the reason is given – ‘Insobriety’. He was to remain at Cloghy CGS for the remainder of his career, but I’m pleased to say he must have redeemed himself, because on the 8 March 1866 he was promoted back to a Commission Boatman. He finally retired from the CG Service on the 30 June 1869, with an overall assessment of his character as ‘Very Good’. One final piece of information on his last record, which covers the period from 1 January 1867 to his retirement, gives his age as 56; this suggests that he was born around 1811. Out of interest I also found a John Buike CG Man, definately a different man, born in Cork, who served with Mountstephens on HMS Caesar during the Crimea War - possibly a brother? Turning now to William R, I checked the Canadian Medal Roll and found a W R Burke, which I assume is a transcription error, as an Ordinary Seaman on HMS Aurora. All the best Martin |
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| private_helen |
Posted on 19/11/2008 15:26
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Martin, that was certainly bigger than the titbit I had hoped for! Thankyou for taking the time to find that out and reply. His chequered past certainly makes him a more interesting character! However, and this is where I probably make myself look silly, Long Island?? surely not in America?? and Molk Cove? I've no idea- would be great if you could enlighten me Many thanks Martin, Helen |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 19/11/2008 17:44
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Hi Helen Talking of transcription errors, this should read Milk Cove  Both Long Island and Milk Cove are within the Skibbereen area of Cork. I managed to find Long Island via a Google search, but not Milk Cove. Perhaps Tony will enlighten both of us. Martin |
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| Tony |
Posted on 19/11/2008 19:53
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Hello Martin, The Admiraly records have used the name Milk Cove and Mill Cove at various times. Many of thes station sites were small coves or inlets and impossible to find today, even on large scale Ordnance Survey maps. Mill Cove is the correct name and it is situated between Tralong Bay and Castle Bay to the west of Roscarbery Bay. Co.Cork. Long Island is in the inlet between Mizen Head and Cape Clear Island in west Co.Cork. Reference; "Irish Coast Pilot" Hard to find on a map, twice as hard to locate in reality as I have found out. Tony |
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| Tony |
Posted on 19/11/2008 21:18
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Hi Helen, Amonng my records is a Marriage record that you might like to check out, as you say Buike is unusual name:- 5 July 1846. John Biike, full age. Widower. At Seven Heads. Waterguard. of Alexander Buike, Land Steward, and Hester Burchill. Full age. Spinster. Lislee Temple?. of Thomas Burchill, Farmer. At Lislee. Co.Cork. Admiralty 'Navy List. Buike,William. Seniority 16 October 1889. Chief Officer. 1899/01. Station, Ventnor. Isle of Wight. Tutton,George. Age 32. Bembridge Point Census1901. [b. Ventnor I.O.W.] 'DANIEL WEBSTER' On 17th.January 1864, in a hard south-easterly gale, the Belfast schooner ‘DanielWebster’ was forced aground. Her crew clambered into the rigging, and, observing their plight, two boats set out from the shore, manned by Joseph Mountstephens and Frederick Gray, both coastguards, and nine Ballywalter men. At great risk the six crew of the schooner were taken off the disintegrating vessel an exploit for which their rescuers were each awarded from the Mercantile Marine Fund. Reference : ‘Shipwrecks of the Ulster Coast’ by Ian Wilson. p.73 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Daniel Webster' Joseph Mountstephens and Frederick Gray (Coastguards),together with John Morrison and eight other fishermen of Ballywalter, Co.Down were awarded £1 each from the board of Trade Mercantile Marine Fund for putting off in two shore boats on the 17th.January 1864 and rescuing the crew of six from the rigging of the ‘Daniel Webster’ of Belfast, which had been driven onto the rocks off Ballywalter during a strong gale. (Parliamentary Papers, 1864, Vol.55. p.493.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mountstephens,J. Coastguard at Weymouth. 2 March 1867. Royal Humane Society Award 17938. Regards Tony |
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| private_helen |
Posted on 23/02/2010 15:43
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Hello Tony- thanks to the help I recieved here, and from another family member that has an old handwritten family tree, I know have a little more info on the Buike family. At present, I can't find any links to the marriage of John Buike and Hester Burchill that you found- although we do still have lots to work on, so have filed it away just in case. Below are the details we have so far: James Buike born 1811 married Jane ?- the first entry we have of him are from the details you provided at Milk Cove. James died (a coast guard) 1870 at Cloghy, County Down. James and Jane had the following children: John Buike b. 11th Sept 1835 Myross, married 1868 County Down to Margaret Halladay. His service record runs up until his death in 1884, where he was listed as a Coastguard at Bangor, County Down. Ellen Buike c1839 Cork, married Hugh Kennedy in 1864 Ardkeeran James Buike b May 1848 Glandore, served in the Navy- his last entry being "The Duke of Wellington" 21st July 1886- 31st Aug 1886, before being pensioned. In 1911 he was a Naval Pensioner living with his niece in Cardiff. He died 1912. William Buike- details already given above- however- on entering the Navy he also gave his DOB as 1848- April. It seems that either James or William lied about their age. On the family tree there are also two other sons listed- Frederick Buike and Joseph Buike- at present we have been unable to find any details for them. Many thanks to everyone for your help. |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 25/02/2010 14:47
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Hi Helen From your last post I was not sure if you had made a family connection between James & John. However, I have checked the Nomination Book (ADM 175/77) and James & John were both nominated to the CG Service on 15th December 1831, with the Nomination Numbers N3275 & 3276, both from Skibbereen. This goes beyond a coincidence. Martin |
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| private_helen |
Posted on 27/02/2010 13:26
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Martin- thankyou so much. I had not made the connection. This information would certainly suggest they were brothers: Now trying to sort this- please bear with me while I try and get my head around the info that's here: The John Buike that was nominated to the service with James in 1831- is this the same (or likely to be the same) John Buike who served with Mountstephens on HMS Caesar during the Crimea War? (info from your earlier post) It is also a possiblity that this John Buike is the same that married Hester Burchill in 1846? (info from Tony's post) James Buike was born c1811, is there any reference to John Buike's age? It seems I have a little more digging to do- thankyou for giving me another lead. Helen |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 27/02/2010 16:28
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Helen John Buike, in my post of the 25/02/2010, is the same man who served with Mountstephens on HMS Caesar. From Caesar's description book, John B gave his age as 42 in 1854, which puts his birth around 1812 Martin |
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| private_helen |
Posted on 27/02/2010 23:53
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Martin, that's wonderfull. You have been a huge help. Many thanks Helen |
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| private_helen |
Posted on 28/02/2010 22:36
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We have now managed to download the Nominations book and can see the James/ John Buike record- Thankyou Martin. From the National Archives we have also downloaded the service record for JOHN HENRY BUIKE b1852 Millaghmore Co. Sligo. Consent for him to join the navy was given on 22nd July 1866 by JOHN BUIKE Chief _ _ _? of Gallaghan Station. We are now trying to establish if John Buike from Gallaghan (could be Tallaghan?) Station is the John Buike nominated with James in 1831. I would be grateful for any info or advice of how we could do this. Thankyou all. Helen Edited by private_helen on 28/02/2010 22:59 |
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| private_helen |
Posted on 11/03/2010 19:04
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Does anyone have information of a John Buike at Tallaghan Station in 1866?- maybe transcibed as Burke, Binke, Buick, Buke etc. |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 12/03/2010 07:59
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Helen There was a John Burke, Chief Boatman, transferred to Tulloughan Station, Belmullet District, from Rosses Point on 19 January 1866 - could this be your man? Martin |
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| private_helen |
Posted on 12/03/2010 16:50
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Martin- you have been so helpful. It is a good possiblity it is the correct man. John's son (John Henry Buike) was born in 1852 County Sligo. I think Rosses point is Sligo- so it would make sense him being transferred from there. Are there any other details on him Martin- or do you know where I can find them. Is there anyway of finding out if this John Burke is the John Buike that was nominated with James Buike and served with Mountstephens on the HMS Caesar (born c1812)? Sorry to keep troubling you, your help has been wonderful. Helen *EDIT- just had another look at John Henry Buike's record- although his consent his hand written his father is definately listed as Chief B'n (looks like Charge) from TALLAGHAN (or possibly TULLAGHAN) station- I see on the list of Stations a Tullaghan station at Sligo. I don't think he would have mispelled Tulloughan if he worked there? Edited by private_helen on 12/03/2010 17:25 |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 13/03/2010 09:05
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Helen I have traced John Buikes' career from his nomination in 1831 to 1866, but have been unable to trace him any further in the Ships' Establishment Books. Nominated 15 Dec 1831 to Glandore 27 July 1838 to Ballycroneen 6 Nov 1838 to East Ferry 5 March 1846 to Courtmasherry 14 Aug 1847 promoted to Commissioned Boatman at same station 12 Sept 1851 to Rutland - moved because of misconduct. 11 Feb 1852 to Mullaghmore 26 Oct 1860 promoted Chief Boatman in Charge at same station. 4 June 1861 to Rosses Point 31 Jan 1866 to Tulloughan. My guess is that it would there only be a couple more years of service before he was pensioned. Hope this is of some help. Martin PS: I should have said that on the question of place names Ireland is a bit of a nightmare, because places and CG Stations changed their names and spellings over time. Edited by crimea1854 on 13/03/2010 09:09 |
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| private_helen |
Posted on 13/03/2010 09:54
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Martin- that is fabulous- this confirms that John Buike nominated with James in '31, John Burke at Tulloughan, and the father of John Henry Buike are all the same person. John Henry was born at Mullaghmore in 1852. This was exactly the information I was wanting- thankyou so much for your time. |
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| private_helen |
Posted on 08/04/2010 18:27
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Still on the Buikes!!- a relative of mine has found (on FindMyPast- Civil Service Evidence) a Thomas David Buike (coastguard). We believe he is related to the above Buikes and would love to confirm this. Details I have been given are: Name: Thomas David BUIKE Date: 3 Mar 1858 Place: Mullaghmore, Sligo, Ireland Notes: Info: CG Stn We have searched the National Archives but can't find any trace of him. Any ideas/ info/ tips? Many thanks (again) Helen |
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