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 Information for Holmes and Bolton waterguards 1830
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| daphne |
Posted on 06/11/2010 01:00
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Hello, I am a new member, Could someone please help with information on my GGgrandfather John Holmes wife Anne from Windgates, Delgany Co Wicklow Ireland. On his children's baptismal records he is a waterguard at Seaside Delgany Co Wicklow at least from 1828 to 1831.Children's names are Richard, Anne , Ellen and George James. I am pretty certain he was transferred to Westport Co.Mayo. Another of my GGgrandfathers William Bolton also born Co Wicklow was at the same stations at the same time. His wife's name was Elizabeth and he had a son named Arthur. Thanks Daphne |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 06/11/2010 08:16
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Hi Daphne, and welcome to the Forum. You have asked specifically about John Holmes wife, Anne, I'm afraid I can provide no family information, but you also intimated that you were unsure about John's service career - in this I can help. He first joined the establishment of the CG service on 16 May 1822 at Grey Stones CG Station. However, he is shown as an Extra Man, which indicates that he had been working at this same station for some time, although not on the official establishment. Helpfully the very early index (ADM 175/99) sometimes provides the mans place of birth, his age on entry and marital status, in your case it was! John was born in Delgany, was 30 when he entered in 1822, and was married with 3 children. On the 31 August 1828 he was transferred to Dublin Southside, and then, on 5 Jan 1829, he was sent back to Grey Stones. On 5 July 1834 he was posted to Skerries, from where he was discharged dead on 14 August 1834. I have also traced William Bolton's career using the ADM 175 Establishment Books. He entered the CG Service on 10 October 1824 from the Revenue Establishment at Cork. Unlike John Holmes there was no further personal details in the Index, but it did indicate that he had been previously worked at the 'Quarantine Bays' Cork. His first posting was also to Grey Stones, where, on the 30 November 1828, he was promoted to Commissioned Boatman, remaining at the same station. He was again promoted to Chief Boatman on 31 July 1831, with a transfer to Annalong. Subsequently he was moved on 31 October 1832 to Dublin Southside; 31 October 1833 to Blackwater; 27 February 1834 to Grey Stones, fom where he was discharged (Superannuated) on 13 (?) 1838. I do hope there is something new in this information. Regards Martin . Edited by crimea1854 on 06/11/2010 08:24 |
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| daphne |
Posted on 07/11/2010 20:26
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Hi Martin, Thanks for your prompt and very informative reply. All the information is new to me as I knew nothing about their CG careers. Johns daughter Ellen born 1828 was my GGgrandmother. She married an RIC man Edward Heard in 1849 and had a daughter born in Westport Co Mayo in 1850. From her husbands record he only served in Co Mayo so I thought she may haved travelled to Mayo when her father was transferred there but as he died in 1834 in Skerries that is not possible. Would his widow have received a pension and is there a way of knowing how he died? Also is there a way of knowing when and where William Bolton died as he was receiving a pension. Do you know where in Greystones the original CGstation was located. Thanks again for your help Regards Daphne |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 08/11/2010 11:36
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Hi Daphne I'm please the info was of some interest. On the question of a pension, there is a post on the Forum that goes into this subject, so can I suggest you do a search, and then follow the links to see if they can answer your point. Unfortunately I know of no way to establish how a man died, however, the above pension info may provide a date, where its not already known. Another member (bpa) is a wizz at finding this sort of information, so perhaps they may be able to help. On your qustion about Greystones, the OSI have a website where you can view the 1840 map of Ireland, below is a link to Greystones. If you pan right you will see a flagstaff indicated on the coast. It's a guess, but I wonder if this is also part of the CG Station, since most had a flagstaff in front? http://maps.osi.i...1,712507,6 When you view this map make sure that the 6'' historic layer is activated. Martin . Edited by crimea1854 on 08/11/2010 16:30 |
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| bpa |
Posted on 09/11/2010 09:06
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Information on deaths around 1830 are usually minimal just church records. If it is tragic/heroic there are some 3rd party report - newspaper, medal records, books etc. I could only find an undated burial record for "John Holms" at Skerries, C of I. This is in www.rootsireland.ie and you will need to pay 5euro to see the full entry. Burial record are usually very minimal and often just have the name of the person but can have plot, name of relatives etc. but I've never see cause of death included. It's possible the actual record which may have more details can be viewed at the C.of.I library http://www.irelan...&id=42 or on microfiche in NLI. If John Holms is your John Holmes then he was buried in the C.of.I graveyard in Skerries and it is possible that the grave is marked but the URL http://www.interm...atrick.htm lists a lot (not complete though) of graves some back to 1830's and there is no Holms/Holmes on the list. Edited by bpa on 09/11/2010 09:08 |
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| daphne |
Posted on 09/12/2010 01:29
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A belated thank you to you both for your informative replies. Martin the OSI map is fantastic. I checked the records and the John Holmes buried in Skerries is indeed the right person as the dates match exactly. I am now trying to find information for Richard Heard stationed in Co Mayo around 1850. I would appreciate any help. Again thank you both so much. Regards Daphne |
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| bpa |
Posted on 10/12/2010 23:46
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A quick search didn't find a Richard Heard in Mayo but there was one in Donegal - he was a Insp. Chief Officer in Rutland in 1848. then Sheephaven , Killybegs in 1855, discharged superannuated 28 Feb 1862. Could the "Mayo" reference have come from this page http://www.coastg...icle_id=14- it reports Rutland as in Mayo whereas it is in Donegal. For another medal report see http://www.coastg...cle_id=191 Also a local magistrate in Donegal in 1862 see http://www.librar.../index.php Also in a Donegal website http://freepages....otices.htm November 27 1863
November 22, at Greenville Street, Dublin, CAROLINE LOUISA, wife of RICHARD HEARD, ESQ., late Inspector of Coastguards, Killybegs, county Donegal Edited by bpa on 11/12/2010 00:03 |
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| daphne |
Posted on 11/12/2010 01:15
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Thanks bpa Yes that was were I first saw the "mayo" posting. Thanks for all the information. Regards Daphne |
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| bpa |
Posted on 11/12/2010 12:38
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There are two possible records for Richard Heard in UK National Archives http://www.nation..._date+desc |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 11/12/2010 15:02
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bpa Unfortunately I don't think that either is 'our' man. Based on your findings I traced his career back to 1838 when he was still rated as a Chief Officer. However, the date column in the NA records is normally the date of birth given by the man when signing up for Continuous Service, which makes both men too young. Martin |
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| daphne |
Posted on 25/07/2011 21:30
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Hello again I would appreciate your help again. Could someone please look up the list of Irish Coastguards and let me know if anyone with the surnames of Holmes, Bolton or Whitton were stationed in Co Mayo from about 1840 to 1870. Thanks for your help. Daphne |
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